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cliff that prevents the economy from falling back into recession, susie. >> susie: well, he better wish that again when he blows out the candles on his cake. at the present -- you know, i was struck by how much he talked about the fiscal cliff in very clear language, saying that it is a serious problem, it is already impacting the economy. and here is the important part: there is really nothing more the fed can do about it to offset going over the cliff. darren, you've been talking to so many lawmakers on the hill. do you think they're getting his message, and also in the white house as well? >> i really don't think so. i think they're aware that there are economic risks out there, but the battle between the president and the republican party and the speaker is kind of like that old saying about when elephants fight, the grass gets crushed. >> susie: i never heard that before. >> well, they're focused on the very big issue of tax rates, what the future of the fiscal policy of the country is. yes, they understand there are some economic risks, but i think they're battling it out for the
cliff that prevents the economy from falling back into recession, susie. >> susie: well, he better wish that again when he blows out the candles on his cake. at the present -- you know, i was struck by how much he talked about the fiscal cliff in very clear language, saying that it is a serious problem, it is already impacting the economy. and here is the important part: there is really nothing more the fed can do about it to offset going over the cliff. darren, you've been talking to so...
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cbo has said that it would cause a recession if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. i do not dispute that i do point out that in 1993 when these taxes were first put in, many said they will cause a recession. they did not. the economy is improving on its own right now. and getting some much stronger. the impact of the fiscal cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many have thought. and certainly is not worth making bad policy that will have much longer-range implications. the debt ceiling. the second issue. another kind of artificial date. it has been in law for decades. congress periodically has a partisan debate over whether to extend it. an interesting debate since there really is no option. you either extend it or you default. the fault should not be an option. it is something that should be avoided at all costs. but we put this critical date in there so we can have the debate, have a vote and then extend the debt ceiling as we know we have to. finally we have the issue of the debt and deficit in the long run. the issues of real importa
cbo has said that it would cause a recession if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. i do not dispute that i do point out that in 1993 when these taxes were first put in, many said they will cause a recession. they did not. the economy is improving on its own right now. and getting some much stronger. the impact of the fiscal cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many have thought. and certainly is not worth making bad policy that will have much longer-range...
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economy from going off the fiscal cliff in the new year. in fact, most experts believe a framework deal must be reac reached this week, most likely by thursday to give the house, ways and means and the senate finance committee several days to work the deal to legislative language. since it will be complex, likely to increase re-knew and cut entitlement spending if the lawmakers want a cost estimate with nonpartisan numbers from the congressional budget office, it would require several more days. the house g.o.p. requires that the bill be posted for parts of three days which means early next week in order for votes by the end of next week. veterans of past capital hill battles note the whip operation convincing lawmakers to vote for the legislation they barely seen will be critical. >> likely that both sides, the president and the speaker are going to have to twist arms, they are going to have to call people. they are going, you know, do anything they can to push a deal over the line. >> with christmas eve in two weeks, the president, lawmak
economy from going off the fiscal cliff in the new year. in fact, most experts believe a framework deal must be reac reached this week, most likely by thursday to give the house, ways and means and the senate finance committee several days to work the deal to legislative language. since it will be complex, likely to increase re-knew and cut entitlement spending if the lawmakers want a cost estimate with nonpartisan numbers from the congressional budget office, it would require several more...
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economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off, if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up january 1st and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> reporter: prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes? yes or no? >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or the other. >> reporter: oh, they are? >> and i think the key is to make sure the taxes go up on high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal. but time is running short. >> reporter: the president sounded optimistic about avoiding the fiscal cliff. he said, of his meeting with speaker boehner, "i think the tone was good. i believe both speaker boehner and myself a
economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off, if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up january 1st and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts...
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but bernanke says the economy afeds more confidence now because of the uncertain fiscal cliff negotiations in unshington. and the harm from the fiscal cliff won't just happen in the enedre. bernanke said that's happening now. >> it's already affecting absiness investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty, or creating r:ssimism. ai saw what happened recently to consumer sentiment, which fell, tesumably in part because of concerns about the fiscal cliff. t reporter: the other main concern for the fed is inflation. but, scott, there's good news here. despite the trillions the fed eds pumped into economy, bernanke called the inflation tame, for now, projected 2%. elleelley: if the chairman of the fed is worried about the fiscal cliff there is nothing today that would have cheered ram up. a are less than two weeks away from the traditional prngressional holiday break, and noe republican speaker of the house and president obama seem no closer to a budget deal. as you know, if they don't come up with a spending compromise, most americans will see a hefty tax increase automatically on j
but bernanke says the economy afeds more confidence now because of the uncertain fiscal cliff negotiations in unshington. and the harm from the fiscal cliff won't just happen in the enedre. bernanke said that's happening now. >> it's already affecting absiness investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty, or creating r:ssimism. ai saw what happened recently to consumer sentiment, which fell, tesumably in part because of concerns about the fiscal cliff. t reporter: the other...
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when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> we've had time. the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> meanwhile, vice president biden is having lunch with several middle class americans who would see their income taxes go up if the tax cuts are not extended. all of this comes as the first jobs report since the election exceeded expectations. the u.s. economy added some 146,000 jobs last month. that was enough it to drive the unemployment rate down to 7.7%. joining me to talk about all of it, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz and she chairs the democratic national committee. good friday afternoon to you. >> thank you. >> john boehner said today that democrats' plan is to, quote, slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. how do you respond it to that? >> well, that's just utterly preposterous. the republicans right now in the house of representatives ha
when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> we've had time. the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter lacking in specifics. >> meanwhile, vice president biden is having lunch with several middle class americans who would see their income taxes go up if the tax cuts are not extended. all of this...
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when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> so we all also from nancy pelosi, the democratic leader in the house of representatives earlier today. she came before cameras also, no news from her had as well. holding pattern here in washington. rhetoric is pretty heated on both sides. you heard boehner there saying the president has wasted a week here. but behind the scenes, aides did give us some indication they'll continue to talk through the weekend so i think what's going on here is you're seeing the public blast of ret lick but behind the scenes they are talking to each other. i think the talks are fair le well coordinated. you can tell that by how tightly the white house and boehner camp on the press side have coordinated their rollouts of what they've said about these talks. they're within minutes of each other, using the same language. that's an indication talks are sort of going along here. it is not an indication we will have a deal any time soon but there's no reason to give up hope just now
when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> so we all also from nancy pelosi, the democratic leader in the house of representatives earlier today. she came before cameras also, no news from her had as well. holding pattern here in washington. rhetoric is pretty heated on both sides. you heard boehner there saying the president has wasted a week here. but behind the scenes, aides did give us some...
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right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem. not a receive knew problem. the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> mr. speaker, you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize that call? did he have any kind of counteroffer? also, we understand that he just is making clear that it is -- got to be increase in rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit, maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> it was the -- the phone call was pleasant. but it was just more of the same. the conver
right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem. not a receive knew problem. the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. a...
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, including obama care tax hikes and including fiscal cliff tax hikes. where's the largic of this position or is it just hypocritical sweetheart deal stuff? >> i don't agree it's a tax killer. the taxes are put into place that the sectors of health care benefit reform, insurers, hospital, medical device companies hoar going to see gain when you have 30 million americans going into the health care system that they also help keep the law sustainable. >> but, wait, i don't understand. we're talking about taxes. come back to the main point. the main point is why are these 18 democrats suddenly opposed to a job killing tax, particularly elizabeth warren, particularly al franken, who are two lefty liberals who love high taxes. is it because, a, they've seen the logic of supply side economics or, b, they're hypocrites because they're just trying to protect their own companies in their own states? >> they have the medical device lobby in their back yard, that's who they're listening to. if they don't want to do this tax, bits $30 billion over ten years to fund t
, including obama care tax hikes and including fiscal cliff tax hikes. where's the largic of this position or is it just hypocritical sweetheart deal stuff? >> i don't agree it's a tax killer. the taxes are put into place that the sectors of health care benefit reform, insurers, hospital, medical device companies hoar going to see gain when you have 30 million americans going into the health care system that they also help keep the law sustainable. >> but, wait, i don't understand....
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the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do corporate tax reform. so we are seeing some movement from the white house, but nothing yet from the house republicans. >> all right. john boehner just came to the microphone. he's just met with his caucus. let's see if he has anything new. >> -- the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out the day after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. our plan meets these standards. it cuts spend
the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do...
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. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers like he has never done before. >> these so-called right the work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. >> tonight the president's big speech, and why the fight in michigan is an assault on workers everywhere. >>> plus, major news on a white house push for immigration reform. in 40 years after man's last trip to the moon, a return voyage may be a reality. astronomer derrick pitts will tell you why the golden spike is a big deal. good to have you with us, folks. thanks for watching. the new republican strategy is to take the amer
. >> republicans reveal their fiscal cliff end game. give in on taxes and take the economy hostage again. congressman chris van hollen responds tonight. >>> somehow raising the medicare eligibility age is back in the fiscal cliff discussion. david cay johnston says it would be -- to do it, and he is here tonight. >> what we shouldn't be doing is try to take away your rights to bargain for better working conditions. >> in michigan, the president stands up for workers...
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cliff. >>> and jpmorgan ceo, jamie dimon on the effect of the economy and fiscal cliff. stick around! >>> welcome back to "squawk b " box." the futures have been around 50, now 52 points. a look at the percentage move. not a lot. at least it is up and will be up for six straight days. you're very ingagnostic about a these things, overall we'd like prosperity to increase globally? >> absolutely. is that ever in doubt? with some places it is. >> in europe, does prosperity seem to be having a good century in europe? >> no. >> good decade? >> no. with the tail end of the feds 2-day interest meeting, feds are suspecting out-right asset purchases to replace "operation twist." has the fed run out of firepower. steve joins us on what to expect when we hear from them later on today. hey, steve. >> hi, michelle. the fed doesn't think it's run out of firepower although the market may have a different point of view. the big debate is how the fed replaces "operation twist." for background it's short term securities and buys long term securities in an effort to bring down long term in
cliff. >>> and jpmorgan ceo, jamie dimon on the effect of the economy and fiscal cliff. stick around! >>> welcome back to "squawk b " box." the futures have been around 50, now 52 points. a look at the percentage move. not a lot. at least it is up and will be up for six straight days. you're very ingagnostic about a these things, overall we'd like prosperity to increase globally? >> absolutely. is that ever in doubt? with some places it is. >> in...
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. >> if a deal can't be reached before january the 1st we will go over that fiscal cliff we talked so much about. as the clock ticks where do merps stand on the troubled economy. peter doocy is live with brand new poll numbers. >> hi heather. we have been hearing so much about what the principal negotiators think about the way around the fiscal cliff. the latest is that president obama is troubled by speaker boehner's suggestion that tax cuts to the wealthy should be permanent while speaker boehner says the president moved the goal post and wants too much in revenue. something we don't hear about is public opinion. most registered voters 57 percent feel the best way to deal with the budget problems is with cuts in spending. 20 percent think tax increases are a better solution and a little less 18 percent favor a balanced approach of cuts and tax hikes. and when asked if raising taxes on the wealthy is enough to solve the country's budget problems, 33 percent of registered voters said yes. but man fee more, 61 percent said spending cuts are necessary as well. this comes as three quarte
. >> if a deal can't be reached before january the 1st we will go over that fiscal cliff we talked so much about. as the clock ticks where do merps stand on the troubled economy. peter doocy is live with brand new poll numbers. >> hi heather. we have been hearing so much about what the principal negotiators think about the way around the fiscal cliff. the latest is that president obama is troubled by speaker boehner's suggestion that tax cuts to the wealthy should be permanent while...
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host: how will the fiscal cliff negotiations affect you? will you lose benefits? caller: i will lose benefits at the end of december, and i will have to go on county assistance to see what they can do to help, but i would rather go back to work. i started picking work when i was 12 years old. host: what are you doing to prepare for the scenario? caller: i am trying to get my ged but i have always had a problem with education. guest: this is a huge issue. people like john are not at the negotiation table. it is tough to consider the full range of decisions. what we find time and time again is that the education and skills component of helping unemployed workers get back into the workforce is a big obstacle. we have 40 programs on the federal level to deal with that, but based on analysis out of rutgers university, is usually people that have been able to find their own education path and get their own skills and out of these government programs have been the most successful. that is a problematic dynamic. host: lisa is next from texas on the independent line. good
host: how will the fiscal cliff negotiations affect you? will you lose benefits? caller: i will lose benefits at the end of december, and i will have to go on county assistance to see what they can do to help, but i would rather go back to work. i started picking work when i was 12 years old. host: what are you doing to prepare for the scenario? caller: i am trying to get my ged but i have always had a problem with education. guest: this is a huge issue. people like john are not at the...
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we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i think the main tax -- >> for the good of the country. i'm probably not going to like the deal but that's probably what will happen. >> thank you so much. quick programming note. i will come to you life from our nation's capital tomorrow night as part of cnbc's special all day coverage. rise above, mission critical. now how do you like this scenario? the u.s. government using our tax money to build up an electric battery firm but after it fails the company sells out to a chinese outfit who takes advantage of our own taxpayer dollars. now producing for japan. there is something wrong with t
we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i...
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way this month due to the national health care law no matter what happens with the fiscal cliff. that is coming. what it will cost you. bill: hello, old man winter. he is out there and he is acoming. a major blizzard raging across the midwest bringing record levels of snow. it is de10th, right? martha: it is time. bill: so who is next? ♪ . martha: old man winter, a major storm is pounding parts of the upper midwest, unleashing record levels of snowfall. that's a lot out there. high winds, frigid air. minnesota of course very used to this kind of weather this time of year but even this is really out of the ordinary. reporter tom halden with our minneapolis affiliate ksft. he is driving, i don't know if i recommend that. there he is. he is out of the car. how bad is it out there? >> reporter: well, martha, it is really cold. we have been driving around the twin city roads this morning. we've been streaming and thought, you know what? it is 12 degrees. we have a full foot of snow on the ground. the kids are out of school, a lot of them, why not hop out of the car and let you guys
way this month due to the national health care law no matter what happens with the fiscal cliff. that is coming. what it will cost you. bill: hello, old man winter. he is out there and he is acoming. a major blizzard raging across the midwest bringing record levels of snow. it is de10th, right? martha: it is time. bill: so who is next? ♪ . martha: old man winter, a major storm is pounding parts of the upper midwest, unleashing record levels of snowfall. that's a lot out there. high winds,...
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economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure middle class taxes don't go up on january 1. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> prediction, are you going to be able to raise taxes, yes or no? >> taxes are going to go up one way or another. and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> how about this analysis. the obama administration wants to send a clear message that while it supports syria's coalition opposition, to lead syria's democratic transition when the assad regime falls, there is no place for extremism in the
economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure middle class taxes don't go up on january 1. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for...
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>> even the late night comics getting fed up with the fiscal cliff stuff. good morning, everybody. i'm brian sullivan and welcome to way too early. only 2 1/2 more shopping weeks left until christmas by the way. so do your duty, america, bring our economy back from the brink. we've got a lot to talk about on this wednesday, december 5th. thanks for joining us. including a shameful display of partisanship in congress that resulted in the voting down of a u.n. treaty aimed at spreading rights for disabled people. even the venerable bob dole could not bring both sides together on this one. also major unrest in egypt as 100,000 protesters stormed the palace in cairo forcing president morsi to flee. we'll update you on the situation there. but first our top story live here at 5:30 a.m. at 30 rock in new york city. and we begin with the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline of automatic tax hikes on everybody and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiations. in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise t
>> even the late night comics getting fed up with the fiscal cliff stuff. good morning, everybody. i'm brian sullivan and welcome to way too early. only 2 1/2 more shopping weeks left until christmas by the way. so do your duty, america, bring our economy back from the brink. we've got a lot to talk about on this wednesday, december 5th. thanks for joining us. including a shameful display of partisanship in congress that resulted in the voting down of a u.n. treaty aimed at spreading...
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cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might be better to cave to the president now on taxes and keep up the fight on spending. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rate and that's it, all of a sudden we do have the leverage of the debt ceiling and we haven't given that up. >> meantime, one influential voice says enough is enough. >> that's like betting your country. there's something terribly bizarre and juvenile about that is to think your party comes ahead of your country. i don't go for that at all. >> that, of course, was alan simpson, the other ha
cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might be better to...
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no end in sight for the fiscal cliff hanger. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff threatening our economy and jobs the white house has wasted another wee>> why speaker says the president's my way or the highway approach is getting us nowhere. >> the feds are borrowing nearly a billion dollars a day. so why is the white house saying reducing our debt not really the goal? >> thank you, eric, it's the most watched video on the internet of all time. he is set to perform for the president. gangnam style said about our soldiers a few years ago. that controversy kicking up this morning. "fox & friends" hour one begins right now. >> get out the coffee. wake up, everyone, thank you so much for waking up with tus, it is "fox & friends" on this saturday morning. dave bowling in for dave briggs. >> come in and do the show with us today. more filling in today than the regulars. we are glad to be on with you clayton. >> you are on an interesting morning because congress now just 23 days left, 23 days until we head off that flif. fiscal cliff. if you listened to speaker boehner yesterday he is reading r
no end in sight for the fiscal cliff hanger. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff threatening our economy and jobs the white house has wasted another wee>> why speaker says the president's my way or the highway approach is getting us nowhere. >> the feds are borrowing nearly a billion dollars a day. so why is the white house saying reducing our debt not really the goal? >> thank you, eric, it's the most watched video on the internet of all time. he is set to perform for...
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going over the "fiscal cliff" to most economists is really stupid. if it happens, we would go into a recession. >> reporter: and with no deal reached, who is to blame for all the this washington gridlock? just ask the american people. according to a new pugh research poll, 53% blame the republicans. 27% blame the president. we'll be watching. >> that's interesting, all those dollars that you just added up for california, multiply that by the other 49 states. >> reporter: it's a really scary thought. they have to solve this. >> grace lee, thank you. >>> a new study could change the current standard of care in breast cancer treatment. british researchers say that breast cancer patients who took tamoxifen for 10 years instead of the usual 5 were less likely to die from the disease. and less likely to have their cancer come back. >> if it's particularly in the second 10 years, that's very- ful i think for that group of women -- that's very helpful i think for that group of women who have been worrying until now. >> tamoxifen is a top breast cancer drug t
going over the "fiscal cliff" to most economists is really stupid. if it happens, we would go into a recession. >> reporter: and with no deal reached, who is to blame for all the this washington gridlock? just ask the american people. according to a new pugh research poll, 53% blame the republicans. 27% blame the president. we'll be watching. >> that's interesting, all those dollars that you just added up for california, multiply that by the other 49 states. >>...
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the fiscal cliff is a very real danger to the united states economy. it's a recipe for a recession. and i certainly would not like to see the rhetoric that we saw from the treasury secretary tim geithner who said he's prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. that is not a good way to talk about what's going on right now. >> mr. reich, let me ask you the same thing. do you think there's code suggesting they are working towards something? because, doug, as you point out, the language was really harsh during this week. but all of a sudden, here we are friday evening and people are saying these kind of soft things that say maybe compromise. what do you think, robert? >> i think doug is right. it's too early to break out the champagne, but undoubtedly, the rhetoric is softening as we get closer and closer to the christmas holidays. these people want to go home. they want to have a holiday. they know that they cannot go home to their constituents and say essentially, i couldn't get anywhere. we're going to go over the fiscal cliff together. and that's particularly true and particularly diffi
the fiscal cliff is a very real danger to the united states economy. it's a recipe for a recession. and i certainly would not like to see the rhetoric that we saw from the treasury secretary tim geithner who said he's prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. that is not a good way to talk about what's going on right now. >> mr. reich, let me ask you the same thing. do you think there's code suggesting they are working towards something? because, doug, as you point out, the language was...
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when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> reporter: vice president biden was confident that this deal will get done because he's optimistic genetically. says if everyone can act like adults and can reach an agreement, the up side will be much greater than the down side. >> any indication when there might be a presidential meeting with the speaker? >> reporter: we don't know at all. there has been one phone call this week. white house aides saying so far they're not making announcements about meetings or phone calls. >> they need to meet to resolve this. maybe their teams and staffers could do some advance work but the clock is ticking. dan lothian, thank you. >>> president obama's top campaign strategist is here in a few minutes. david axelrod did something today he hasn't done in decades. look at that, before and after. he's ready to challenge a member of cnn's political team to do the same thing. stand by. >>> and take a look at this. we're going to tell you why the driver says she didn't stop ou
when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> reporter: vice president biden was confident that this deal will get done because he's optimistic genetically. says if everyone can act like adults and can reach an agreement, the up side will be much greater than the down side. >> any indication when there might be a presidential meeting with the speaker? >> reporter: we don't know at all. there...
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the longer the white house slow walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. martha: so what is really going on in this negotiating right now? where are both sides? the white house continues to insist that it is republicans who have yet to offer any detailed proposal to themment when speaker john boehner comes to the microphone moments from now, in every one of these you can pick up a little bit of the tea leaves and figure out where this might be going. as soon as john boehner walks in front of that podium we'll want to listen to every word and see fit gives us any indication of where we are right now. bill: we are getting brand-new audio now of the police chatter inside of a busy mall in organ after a masked gunman opened fire. have a listen here. >> paramedics in here you want to get them out get them out. i'd say as many people out as possible. they are on their way out of the food court. that goes for guys that are uniformed officers, spread out. if you've got nothing to do then leave, please. >> i've got a witness at my location, where do i need to send
the longer the white house slow walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. martha: so what is really going on in this negotiating right now? where are both sides? the white house continues to insist that it is republicans who have yet to offer any detailed proposal to themment when speaker john boehner comes to the microphone moments from now, in every one of these you can pick up a little bit of the tea leaves and figure out where this might be going. as soon as john...
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. >>> last night he describes what he says is to use the debt creel as a pawn in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> they see the handwriting on the wall and they're going to have to extend it, and if they don't the whole country will see they were willing to tank the entire economy and give everybody the tax break to give people at the top a bonus. where they're just dead wrong, ed, is thinking they're going to gain leverage over this debt ceiling because the american people are not going to stand for republicans turning right around and threatening to destroy the american economy by having the united states default on its debts. >> don't miss "the ed show" 8:00 p.m. eastern time. >>> there are new details about the stunning military operation and the u.s. navy s.e.a.l. who heroically gave his life to help save a doctor kidnapped by the taliban. nbc's jim has the story. >>> he was a highly decorated navy veteran killed sunday in afghanistan. the s.e.a.l.s set out to rescue an american relief worker dr. dilip joseph kidnapped last week on the road east of kabul. joseph was held hostage at an ene
. >>> last night he describes what he says is to use the debt creel as a pawn in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> they see the handwriting on the wall and they're going to have to extend it, and if they don't the whole country will see they were willing to tank the entire economy and give everybody the tax break to give people at the top a bonus. where they're just dead wrong, ed, is thinking they're going to gain leverage over this debt ceiling because the american people are...
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. >> pelley: we asked chip reid to visit with a family staring over the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: sean and jody watson have four daughters ages five to 14 and know all too well the sacrifices and sleepless nights endured by middle-class families in a struggling economy. >> we don't go out to eat much. we don't spend -- we don't go to the movies much. >> we do a lot of thrift store shopping for my kids for clothes. >> reporter: shawn was unemployed for a year in washington state then two years ago he got a job as an accountant with the federal government so the family of six-- their savings depleted-- moved across the country to woodbridge virginia. his salary of a little more than $70,000 is less than what he used to make. >> before we lost our job they were in -- two were in piano and we haven't been able to do things like that. >> reporter: what's the hardest part of this? >> for me it's my kids knowing that i want more for them. my oldest, who's the one that's most aware of what we've been going through the last couple years she asked me recently, this summer, she's like "mommy when
. >> pelley: we asked chip reid to visit with a family staring over the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: sean and jody watson have four daughters ages five to 14 and know all too well the sacrifices and sleepless nights endured by middle-class families in a struggling economy. >> we don't go out to eat much. we don't spend -- we don't go to the movies much. >> we do a lot of thrift store shopping for my kids for clothes. >> reporter: shawn was unemployed for a year in...
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. >> obviously i think all of us and all americans a resolution of this issue of the fiscal cliff so that people can live next year with a sense of predictability, with a sense that we can have a growing economy, and, frankly, peace in the world. >> and the place on this committee? >> i think it would be fun to do. >> i'll take that as a yes. >> senator lieberman. >> christmas and hanukkah. >> yes. >> what would i like from the president? that he pick the leadership he's been empowered with the election, bring the parties together beginning with speaker boehner and other leaders agree on a bipartisan package that will reduce debt, increase tax and cut increases on spending entitlements. that will do it and usher in a brilliant new period in america's economic history. >> sounds good. senator graham. >> three things, that the president would have -- >> this i thought we only had one. >> this is america youan have three the president will leave a force in afghanistan of 15 to 20 thousand to make sure the place doesn't fall back in to radical hands. that the people get behind syria and
. >> obviously i think all of us and all americans a resolution of this issue of the fiscal cliff so that people can live next year with a sense of predictability, with a sense that we can have a growing economy, and, frankly, peace in the world. >> and the place on this committee? >> i think it would be fun to do. >> i'll take that as a yes. >> senator lieberman. >> christmas and hanukkah. >> yes. >> what would i like from the president? that he...
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the markets will respond badly if we go over the fiscal cliff. foreign investors will respond badly if america goes over the fiscal cliff at the end of this year. there's a sense, i'm hearing, increasing pessimism among republicans that say we can't afford to have these kinds of talks, even the stalling process doesn't look good for the country. >> there's other incentives that are bringing both republicans, especially the white house, to the table with respect to the fiscal cliff. we did reporting on this. >> your bosom buddy. >> yeah, but there's stimulus the white house wants as a result of the fiscal cliff deal. they don't want to see a lapse, for instance, in the payroll tax cut. although they'd be fine with it being replaced by something else. unemployment insurance passed, infrastructure spending, those are incentives for the white house to cut a deal on the fiscal cliff as opposed to just going over it and saying, okay, we'll just take the, you know, sequester cuts and bush tax rates. >> that's right, and they were willing to do that in 2
the markets will respond badly if we go over the fiscal cliff. foreign investors will respond badly if america goes over the fiscal cliff at the end of this year. there's a sense, i'm hearing, increasing pessimism among republicans that say we can't afford to have these kinds of talks, even the stalling process doesn't look good for the country. >> there's other incentives that are bringing both republicans, especially the white house, to the table with respect to the fiscal cliff. we did...
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as we are concerned about the fiscal cliff and a slowdown in the world's economy and in asia and in europe. so these are the three factors that have come together to give us a sustained drop in the price of gasoline almost over the last three weeks, wolf. >> is this a short-term development? what's in store over the longer term? >> we're into that lower driving season. obviously, spring and summer are bigger driving seasons. you'll see a pickup in demand when we get back into spring. that typically happens. a lot of it depends on the price of oil. that depends on what happens in the world economy. there are two things happening. one is the fiscal cliff. and the recession in europe. if things continue to slow down economically, we'll see less demand for gasoline. if there's more tension in the middle east, we'll see higher prices for oil. those are two things that could affect the price of oil, which will affect the price of gasoline. one thing to remember, that over the last ten years or so, wolf, demand for gasoline has started to drop off, as cars have become more efficient and as we've
as we are concerned about the fiscal cliff and a slowdown in the world's economy and in asia and in europe. so these are the three factors that have come together to give us a sustained drop in the price of gasoline almost over the last three weeks, wolf. >> is this a short-term development? what's in store over the longer term? >> we're into that lower driving season. obviously, spring and summer are bigger driving seasons. you'll see a pickup in demand when we get back into...
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cliff negotiations, could this be a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james lankford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. appreciate you're taking the time. what about this idea of racing taxes on everyone? the math works much better. >> i heard your lead in when you said this is a new idea. actually, it's not a new idea, there are several democrats who have floated that for a while. the code word is we want to go back to the clinton tax rates and talk about the clinton economy that we had a much more vigorous economy and growth and we should go back to the clinton tax rates. what that really means is all tax rates on all americans go back up because the tax rates were brought down in 2001 and 2003. i don't support that. i don't think that's a great idea. it would slow down the economy. >> when you look at economist's evaluations, it would slow down the economy. it would. there's no question about it. but if the problem is that we have
cliff negotiations, could this be a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james lankford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. appreciate you're taking the time. what about this idea of racing taxes on everyone? the math works much better. >> i heard your lead in when you said this is a new idea. actually, it's not a new idea, there are several democrats who have floated that for a...
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here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending problem, not a revenue problem. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an
here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of...
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christine lagarde warned that the american economy won't grow next year without a deal on the fiscal cliff. listen to this. >> my view personally is that the best way to go forward is to have a balanced approach at that takes into account both increasing the revenue, which means, you know, either raising tax or creating new sources of revenue. and cutting spending as well. >> very interesting. europe is deep, deep in a financial crisis and ms. lagarde, who heals from tax the rich, 75% france is lecturing america, very interesting. >> meanwhile, european markets are down and because the italian prime minister mario monti m a surprise. is going to resign. and silvio berlusconi wants to replace him. europe is appalled. and people blaming the recession for not having more children. 64 births for one thousand women of child bearing age. half of the peak of the baby boom in the 1950's. our next guest has six children, counts them. and what's that-- >> and naham segal. that works. >> have i got that word? >> and light tte candles. >> if you light them i will come. >> you have six children.
christine lagarde warned that the american economy won't grow next year without a deal on the fiscal cliff. listen to this. >> my view personally is that the best way to go forward is to have a balanced approach at that takes into account both increasing the revenue, which means, you know, either raising tax or creating new sources of revenue. and cutting spending as well. >> very interesting. europe is deep, deep in a financial crisis and ms. lagarde, who heals from tax the rich,...
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she was talking about about solutions to avert the fiscal cliff. if if you look at how we got here, nothing gets resolved out of washington, it's an abyss that doesn't need to happen. if you just go back and look at the promises made by poth because massachusetts when he was running for office, when he was running for re-election, he talked about working across the aisle he talked about bipartisan solutions he talked about it a lot and the american people expected that the president would keep that promise. but before the ink was even dry, before some of the states had confirmed and finalized their vote totals for this last election, the president comes out with a hyper partisan solution that's his approach. when the president comes out with his plan to raise taxes on some, not renew ores, to threaten middle class families with a tax increase if some people don't get their taxes raised, there already was a bipartisan solution to avert this cliff. just a few months ago, here in this house, we passed a bill with 19 democrat votes. a strong bipartisan
she was talking about about solutions to avert the fiscal cliff. if if you look at how we got here, nothing gets resolved out of washington, it's an abyss that doesn't need to happen. if you just go back and look at the promises made by poth because massachusetts when he was running for office, when he was running for re-election, he talked about working across the aisle he talked about bipartisan solutions he talked about it a lot and the american people expected that the president would keep...
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fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> there is big news tonight out of washington where speaker john boehner and obama are talking. this is actually not nothing, not in this town. early last week they really weren't talking, and neither were their staffs. progress on what to do about all those expiring tax cuts and schedule spending cuts and that possible recession congress might create, totally stalled. but now today they are talking, and their staffs are talking, and they're even exchanging paper, real paper. news leaked today that in the last few days, there have been new offers an
fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> there is big news tonight...
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the "news nation" is following where things regard right now with the fiscal cliff and there's hot rhetoric to go around. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the char itible deduction. >> an obsession to raise taxes not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. >> and meantime, "the new york times" jonathan wiseman reports behind the scene republican leaders are considering the president's plan to extend middle class tax cuts now an address the debt and spending in the new year. here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment
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cliff? >> actually, believe it or not we have had a number of bipartisan meetings going on around the hill. we've had them going on last month ore two, increasing in intensity and frequency as republicans and democrats, moderate republicans and democrats work together to solve the problem that is where it is at. you don't elect us to be idealogues. we're not bloggers. we're statesman hopefully at the end of the day to solve the problem. if america wants to punish us for that, i don't they had they will, sandra. think they will reward us. sandra: congressman, some are arguing a bad deal could be worse than no deal in actually falling off the cliff. where do you stand on that? >> i don't think there will be a bad deal. we need, i think as both the president and speaker have said, at least $4 trillion in deficit reduction. part will come from revenues. part will come from spending reductions and or improvements. i think everyone knows the shape of the universe. i happen to be a big bowles-simps
cliff? >> actually, believe it or not we have had a number of bipartisan meetings going on around the hill. we've had them going on last month ore two, increasing in intensity and frequency as republicans and democrats, moderate republicans and democrats work together to solve the problem that is where it is at. you don't elect us to be idealogues. we're not bloggers. we're statesman hopefully at the end of the day to solve the problem. if america wants to punish us for that, i don't they...
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the longer the white house slow walks this process the closer our economy gets fought fiscal cliff. -- gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our proble frankly, it's making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise taxes on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either. it's making it worse and it's hurting our economy. i think the members know i'm an optimist. i'm hopeful we can reach an agreement. this is a serious issue and there's a lot at stake. the american people sent us here to work together toward the best possible solution and that means cutting spending. if the preside doesn't agree with our approach, he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering whe minority leader, ms. p
the longer the white house slow walks this process the closer our economy gets fought fiscal cliff. -- gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our proble frankly, it's making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise taxes on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink as far as the...
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cliff negotiations, is this a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james langford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. good to see you, sir. appreciate you taking the time. what about this idea of raising taxes on everyone? the math actually in this case is much more promising. it works much better. >> right. i heard your lead-in on it, and you said this is a new idea floated by howard dean. ints a new idea. several democrats have floated that a while. the code word is going back to the clinton tax rates and talk about the clinton economy and we should go back to the clinton tax rates. what that means is all tax rates on all americans go back up because the tax rates were brought down in 2001 and 2003. so it's not new, and no, i don't support that. i don't think that's a great idea at all. it will slow down the economy. >> all right. the truth is when you look at economists' evaluations, it will slow down the economy right now. rais
cliff negotiations, is this a starting point? "outfront" republican congressman james langford of oklahoma, incoming chairman of the republican policy committee, the fifth ranking position in the house gop leadership. good to see you, sir. appreciate you taking the time. what about this idea of raising taxes on everyone? the math actually in this case is much more promising. it works much better. >> right. i heard your lead-in on it, and you said this is a new idea floated by...